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Shame Is a Prison, and I’m Breaking Out

The first email came a few months after we formally joined the church. The message from the pastor was cryptic, asking my husband and I to come to meet with him. Despite the sparse words, I shuddered, knowing in my bones that this was about me, not a friendly “let’s get to know each other” meeting.

The day of the meeting, I felt physically sick, heart racing, hands shaky. I wanted to hide.

Shame is a prison. It is impotent to help us grow.

The pastor’s office was lined with bookcases crammed with theology. I took the chair nearest the door, settling uneasily on the leather. I tried not to grip the arm rests, to adopt a calm and confident pose that hid my fear. Scott took the other chair, a full three feet from mine. I wondered at the distance. He was too far for us to hold hands. Too far to feel like we were in this together, that he had my back and I his.

The pastor took a drink of water, and licked his lips nervously, the way I do when my mouth is nothing but ash, too dry for words. I found a shred of comfort in knowing that he was not comfortable with this meeting either.

He opened a manilla file folder and slid out a few sheets of paper. I spotted my name on the folder, Facebook-blue across the top of one page, and my blog header on another. My mind raced as I tried to process. The pastor has a file on me. My gut was right. They don’t like who I am.

He hadn’t said a word, and I already felt awash in shame. I wished that I could hide my too-easy-to-read face from his gaze. My hair was short, unable even to hide my eyes. I turned slightly in my seat, towards Scott and away from the pastor, trying to angle away from his direct gaze.

He prayed that obligatory I’m-a-pastor-so-I-better-talk-to-God-before-doing-anything prayer, took another sip of water, and began.

“Someone has brought your blogs and Facebook posts to my attention.” He pointed to the print-out of my Facebook wall and a couple of blog posts, peppered with underlines and notes.

“You shared a post on Facebook that supports egalitarian views of men and women, in direct opposition to our church’s teachings. You know that we believe men are to lead and women are to submit. We are asking you to stop sharing things that disagree with the teachings of our church.”

They are spying on me! I felt anger smolder in my belly.

He continued. “Your blog has us concerned about your personal spiritual wellbeing. We are also concerned about the wellbeing of the other people here in this church who may be led to doubt by the things you are writing. We are asking you to stop writing about doubt.”

I stared at him, stunned. “You are asking me to stop writing about my faith and my questions on my personal blog?”

“Yes. You and your husband are high-profile members of this church, whether you like it or not. You have influence.”

I felt isolated. Targeted. Rejected. Ashamed. I wanted desperately to hide, even as I argued how important it was to me to be real and honest about who I was and where I was with God. And how laughable it was that my little bitty blog was influential. I remember reaching for my hair, wishing it were long so I could pull it across my face like a veil.

People who get to know me well will eventually discover this about me: I am like my son. I am direct, say what most people won’t, have poorly-developed filters. Most of the time, this is refreshing. People tell me it’s such a relief to have someone blurt out what they’re too afraid to say. My lack of political savvy can cut through the crap… sometimes. But other times, it really gets me into trouble. I’ll desecrate someone’s sacred cow, wound their fragile ego, or drop innuendo into the wrong conversation or with the wrong person. When that happens, I swing to the other extreme – I clam up, bottle it all inside, and hide.

That’s the time I wish for a veil.

This summer, I had the opportunity to travel to Sri Lanka by way of Dubai. In those countries, women wear veils far more often than they do in the U.S. (though we have a large Muslim community in my area, so it’s more and more common around me than it used to be). Always before I saw veils as repressive and as projecting responsibility for a man’s thought life onto a woman. But I began to see benefits in the veil on this trip, until this morning.

I was thinking about this post and trying to uncover why I have this instinct to hide inside a veil, when I saw it. Shame. Shame makes me want to hide, whether it’s over a legitimate mistake or whether it’s someone else projecting their issues onto me. When I feel vulnerable and rejected, I hide.

This is not how we ought to be. Hiding my shame behind a veil is not healthy. It doesn’t protect me, any more than hiding behind fig leaves protected Adam and Eve from God after they disobeyed. Hiding is a symptom of our brokenness. Shame is the painful fall-out from our warped desire to control people.

That first meeting with the pastor, nearly 3 years ago now, began an ongoing fight against my own fear of being shamed, rejected, and branded a threat again. It is getting better now, but I still sense it with nearly everything I post. That church tried to shut me down and control me with intimidation (church discipline is no small thing). It was all about power and control, and what I’ve realized is that this was rooted in fear.

How sad, especially when the Bible they claimed to love and follow teaches that perfect love casts out fear. When we love, we reject shame. We do not use fear to control. Shame is impotent to love or help us grow – it is a prison. We must not succumb to the temptation to hide behind a veil, to pretend to be who we are not.

Perfect love casts out fear. Shame is fear and has no place in this holy work.

I promise today to throw away the veil of shame. I will accept you, the whole you. I will love you with all your flaws and all your weaknesses as well as your strengths and your character and your talents. Will you embrace the good as well as the bad in me, too? I will practice forgiveness and grace. We can help each other become who we are meant to be, to overcome our weaknesses, together to be more than we are apart. Shame is fear and has no place in this holy work.

Update: Don’t miss my follow-up post, in which I respond to the questions “Why did you stay?” and “What happened next?”

 

 

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  1. This is the stuff of my nightmares, but you’re so right. Freedom from shame because of Jesus’s unconditional love is the most beautiful thing.
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  2. Joy, you are my hero! What an awesome post…there is no need for shame when you speak from your heart. Keep exploring and digging into your faith and sharing it here. Even when we disagree, I find your journey beautiful!
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  3. Wowsa. Unfortunately, I can totally imagine this scene at my former church too. This hits very close to home.

    I’m so glad you didn’t let the shame settle into who you are just because of this man’s words. That inspires me more than you know. I am continuing to recover from a lifetime of feeling “less than” in my former denomination because I am female, all the while knowing that I am a fully loved child of God regardless of gender.

  4. Eshet Chayil!

  5. Glad to see you throwing the veil away. Yours is the second blog I have read tonight that speaks into a situation where I have resolved to act, in my case it is hopefully to lift the veil of fear over others, but I hesitated not sure if it would make matters worse. I think it is time to bring the light of God into a dark situation. Thanks!

  6. Beautiful post Joy. Thank you for sharing this story and the conflicting emotions. Shame tells us that we are can’t be who we are. It’s rooted in rejection and robs us of so much freedom.

    Also, I suspected that your son got it from you… Ha!

    • *sly smile* You’d think I have realized it earlier. But seriously, it wasn’t until I wrote about him earlier this week and then thought about my latest foot-in-mouth faux pas that I saw the similarities. Yikes!

  7. SO proud of you, Joy! Honored to call you my friend. You are fierce and fearless and most definitely free. xo
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  8. Tanya Marlow says:

    Woah.
    I can’t quite believe this. I don’t think you would get that level of censorship and silencing in the UK. I hope that you wouldn’t, anyway… It has made me reflect on how pastors often do not know their power, and that is when people are most dangerous.

    And I love that you have identified that trickiest of emotions and rooted it out. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. I am going to have a think about those veils I hide behind and claim that freedom from shame. Cheering you on!
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  9. Joy, you lived through one of my biggest fears around the release of my doubt book, which happened when I was on staff at a church. I was completely worried about the same situation you faced, though to my church’s and pastors’ credit nothing ever came of it. (I eventually ended that job on my own accord, just to avoid the complications.)

    At any rate, this is a wonderful post. I’m glad to know this part of your story, I’m glad you’ve pressed on beyond that obstacle, and I’m glad you’re finding the freedom to move away from shame and toward unfiltered Joy.
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  10. This is beautiful and so right.

    And as a pastor’s daughter, I am LIVID at the audacity of these pastors. LIVID. God will be their judge.
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  11. Shame has been used for numerous centuries by our religiosities to keep us under control. When we understand that there is a vast difference between spirituality and religiosity we become free to live our lives from our own inner truth, rather than the expectations that are placed on us.

  12. Brian Jonson says:

    It’s interesting that this pastor wanted you to “stop writing about doubt.” Are not the Psalms filled with expressions of doubt? Many of them are written by the “man after God’s own heart.” Since when is doubt a sin? sigh…

    • Modern American Evangelicalism is so hopelessly mired in civil religion, jingoism, and modernism that it barely looks like Christianity anymore. And all these things: conflation of God and country, extreme patriotism, and belief on the basis of winning arguments hold doubt to be anathema.

      These things can’t question. They can’t admit to being wrong. They cannot even abide an honest discussion unless the goal is to beat the person, to win points. And this thinking has infected our churches like a cancer.
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      • Eh, I don’t want that to be read as a blanket condemnation of the people or even the pastors in all American Evangelical churches … but the patterns are there, and they affect every church of that type that I’ve been in *to some degree.*

        I hope the initial comment didn’t come off too harshly. My apologies if it did.
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  13. You are not the only one whose had their blog used against them by church leadership. It sucks, I know.
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  14. I’m trying to figure out how having a different viewpoint is grounds for church discipline, especially an area that is very contested. The role of women in the church is no small matter, but it’s not a moral area or strictly black and white like some other areas.

  15. Spiritual abuse. No other words for it.
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  16. How I wish I had an ounce of your strength, your courage. I faced a challenge at my old church it was suggested that maybe if I had been a proper Christian my daughter wouldn’t have died. This broke me in many ways, would the Jesus I love punish my child for my sins, what about all those good Christians bad things happen too.

    I wish I had stood my ground but I pulled away and eventually moved church but blaming myself.
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    • Sara, same thing happened to us. My cancer and my daughter’s life-threatening and life-altering illness were blamed on me “not concentrating enough of my attention at home”. Because I was a grad student (and would someday probably get a JOB – GASP!), I was living in sin and dragging my whole family down with me. Like you, we were crushed and left the church. It took us 2 years to really get back, and it will never be the same, I don’t think. I just wanted to stop and say, you’re not the only person this has happened to. And NO, it’s not your fault. “As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.” (John 9:1-3) These verses give me so much comfort and remind me that the exact OPPOSITE of what we were accused of is true! God allows our suffering so that His glory might shine through our pain.
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      • Thank you for sharing this it really means more then you could know. I’m now at a new church but struggling hard to trust in fellowship. One day maybe.
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      • Oh my goodness… Gen – I didn’t know this part of your story. This is so horrible. So damaging. I feel all tingly-angry on your behalf. I’m flabbergasted by all these stories in the comments – shocked by how worryingly common this is. Lord, have mercy.
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  17. Joy, thank you for this. Thank you for exposing the shame for what it is. I have had something kinda similar, but on a much smaller scale, happened to me. It made me question whether blogging was worth it. It’s good to know there are others out there with similar stories–and inspiring to see them persevere. Thank you.
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  18. So proud to call you friend! Love this and you!
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  19. This blows my mind, though it probably shouldn’t. We recently started attending a new church, and I went back and forth a long time before I sent an email to the pastor including my blog signature. I didn’t know if he would look at it or not, but I wanted them to know about it. About me. I wanted to know right away if they could handle it.

    And I’ve been so blown away by the kindness. People keep coming up to me saying, “I hear you have a blog. What is it? I want to read it!” and it makes me feel seen and valued. I’m thankful to have found a place like this, and I’m praying that you do too. (It was a long journey for us, but that’s another story for another time.)
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  20. this story reads like something from another era. how horrible for you for christians to try to squelch the very life and freedom you were made for.

    naming dark idols and chains is the first step towards felling and loosing them. shame. control. oppression. thankful for your voice on the road out. <3
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  21. As I read your pastor’s words (and can I just say I hope he’s not your pastor anymore?) I hear the Pharisees with Jesus. Missing the point entirely. Praying that your struggle, spoken of openly, would draw more and more people to truly grapple with the reality of Jesus and faith!

  22. I hate that a pastor and church made you feel that way. It breaks my heart, but I love seeing you throw off the shame someone else tried to suffocate you with. You are beautiful my friend.
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  23. Wow! Do you know how many posts sit in draft because I am afraid of such a confrontation? Your bravery and courage and ability to shake off the nay-sayers gives me hope.
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    • These confrontations are SCARY. I’m working on a follow-up to this where I talk about the struggle I’ve had ever since with writing the real, the true, the difficult. I hate confrontations, and I hate it when people don’t like me. But something about this lit a fire in my belly that would not be quenched. I just knew that my gut was right on this one.

      • I’ve never had one of these confrontations (possibly because I’m male, and possibly because I’ve only started blogging recently, while our church is between pastors).

        But I can’t *imagine* having the hubris and self-importance that would make a man think he can do this.

        Don’t get me wrong: I’ve seen it. I’ve probably seen this kind of controlling arrogance in more that half the pastors I’ve met in the last 10 years (at least the Baptist ones). It still stuns and bewilders me.

        I don’t have anything profound to say about this, but I do want to thank you. Thank you for posting this, and for not letting him back you down. Thank you for being brave. Thank you.

  24. I love the post and I love the photos!

    Veils were designed exactly for the reason you say: to hide a woman’s shame. Men have honor, but women have shame in honor-shame societies which are typically steeped in patriarchy. How sad!

    I’m so glad Jesus made a New Covenant and Paul taught about the New Creation. These are the paradigms I want to live by.
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  25. I wonder how many people tell these kinds of stories to psychiatrists and get dismissed as having extreme paranoia instead of being a member of an abusive church.

    Here’s a helpful hint: If you are ever called into a pastor/creeper’s office again and presented with a file of your online writings and told that your spiritual well-being is in jeopardy? Don’t hide. Never fear. Here’s what you do:

    First, let them know that you’re flattered; that kind of thing probably took some time to compile. Think of the hours that s/he could have spent ministering to real needs instead of building a kangaroo court case.

    Second, ask them to read the underlined parts out loud. After the reading, nod thoughtfully, then lead forward and say, “I see what you are getting at. I really could use a copy editor to help me sharpen up my grammar. Because while the words might need sharpening up, I’ve never been more crystal clear about anything in my life.”

    Hey, who ISN’T flattered by constant attention?

    Finally, you might wish to mention that this kind flattery might not get them everywhere, but if they choose to escalate it, it could get them a restraining order. So there’s that.

    The emperor has no clothes, and silence is never golden. Use your words. No one has the right to hold you spiritually hostage. There is never shame in freedom. Never, ever, ever.

    Thank you for this bravado. I’ll stand beside you all day and in front, if necessary.

    Peace,
    Andie

  26. I’m always saying things that make most of my Christian friends cringe. Thank you for this post.

  27. Thank you. Loved this. I have been in this situation many times myself. Not as a woman, but being called on the carpet for more liberal views, that I represent and have influence, and therefore need to be silent. I can relate. We carry too many Scarlet Letters these days.
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  28. Eshet chayil, Joy. You are a TRUE woman of valor.

    We. have. your. back.

  29. This is an incredible post. Both in what happened, and the freedom you are claiming. You’re amazing! Reactions like this is one of the reasons I blog anonymously and mostly secretly. I don’t think I would be treated like that, but I’m fairly confident I would get the side-eye from a lot of people, and I just don’t want to deal with that. I get that a little bit, with what I say in person.
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  30. Wow. I am so sorry that you had to go through this. How horrible. Regardless of theological position, trying to control others in this way is unwarranted.
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  31. Good post, Joy.

    I had that same shame/fear of rejection issue before I even started blogging because I knew some of my thoughts andbeliefs were outside the norm (even though I can defend them scripturally.) Thankfully, I had a much better experience — I talked to my pastor ahead of time, explained my gray areas to him before I started the blog. He actually encouraged me to go ahead and pursue what I felt God was calling me to, even though he wasn’t sure about a few of my beliefs. It was actually pretty liberating for me.

    For me, fear of rejection is the root of the feeling shame and hiding. The more I get comfortable with the fact that, yes, I believe God is calling me to believe differently than mainstream thoughts in some areas, the more I feel free to share and not be shamed about it. It was helpful knowing that my pastor had prayed about it and felt the Lord encouraging him to encourage me….

    Good stuff!
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  32. Thank you, thank you for sharing all of this! I needed to read it. It helped me not feel so alone. Last year my husband took a pastoral job, and we moved out of state. From the first day, the leadership of the church bullied and shamed us. All in the name of “love.” To top it off, our denomination split while we were there, and we were conflicted about which route to go at first. They then went into extra control mode to make us choose the “side” they were choosing. We lasted 8 months and just now made it back home, where we belong. The wounds are fresh, and my head is spinning. So much hurt and devastation. I was raised in a legalistic church with spiritual abuse. I vowed never to be a part of another church like that again. In fact, it took us a long time to decide to even go into pastoral ministry. I can hardly believe what happened to us. I had just found some freedom. Now I feel that rejection and being branded as threat that you mentioned.

  33. I have nothing but tears. Exact same experience. Exact. Same. Sent me to the hospital and almost cost me my life, that stupid shame thing. How could a pastor who claimed to love me convince me that even my children were better off without me?? Because he let Satan talk through his lips. And when I hear that snake slithering behind someone’s words these days, I don’t reach for my veil anymore. I reach for my shield and my sword because I KNOW I have freedom in Christ that small men (and women) like these can’t even imagine. I cry for THEM in their prisons, because the daggers of their words is what actually cut the bars of my own self-made prison forever.

    Thank you for writing this, my friend. If I lived closer, I’d hop in my car to come talk it over and get a hug!!
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  34. Wow. Really? I’m a pastor’s kid, recovering fundamentalist “good girl” and all that, but I kept waiting for the punchline in your opening story. I’ve kept my distance from church as I knew it for so long now that it’s hard to fathom people are still acting like this pastor. I know, clueless me! Thanks for your refreshing blog – this looks like my kind of place 🙂
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  35. Thanks for the post. I had a very similar experience. I was worship director at a small ~80 member church and got a similar call to the pastors office. (A tremendously creepy place – but that’s another topic.) People had been tattling about one of the musician’s Facebook page – that the musician’s non-Christian friends were making posts that, GASP! talked about BEER! And there was an occasional “bad” word. And therefore, maybe the guy wasn’t really fit to lead a worship song from “the platform”. I could have gone on with a futile defense about how the man loved his wife, loved his kids, loved God, treated everyone respectfully etc. etc. But instead I said “ok, I’ll talk to him.” I promptly called him up and advised him to block the pastor on Facebook, and said I would send him the same instructions I had just used to do so myself! Ha! We are moving on to another church where judgementalism is not the norm.

  36. I so loved this post… I’ve just recently come out of those kinds of churches…thankfully, the last church I went to didn’t know I had a blog. 🙂
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  37. Amy Sullivan says:

    Wow–it’s heartbreaking but not surprising to read this, as well as the stories of others in comments. Did you stay at that church? I’m curious whether you and others think it’s useful to try to change a community from within or whether it’s more important to find a spiritual home that accepts you for who you are and nourishes you. Even accepting that a church community can fill many different kinds of needs that an individual or family might have, I find it hard to imagine what might make it worth staying in a place led by people with such disrespect for you and your beliefs.

  38. I think you NAILED part of why I have been stuck and unable to blog all day! AND I woke up with such clarity…and kind of knew (or thought I knew) what I needed to say!
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  39. Whew, what many of you describe in response to Joy is simply not what Jesus came/ was sent to convey !!
    – The writers of the Gospels speak of Jesus bringing, speaking Good News !!

    In Luke 4 Jesus read from Isaiah –
    ““The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor/ the year of Jubilee.
    “Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

    So sad when Jesus’ Good News is turned into bad news !!! Little wonder that so many people call themselves “None” today.

  40. I have lived this. Nearly the exact same thing. The heart racing and hands shaking and feeling sick and wanting to hide. You writing this gives me permission to breathe again. To speak again. To be me again. I’ve always been a fierce kind of woman but this last moth I’ve known shame more intimately, up close and in person than I ever could have wanted for my worst enemy. The fear that all but literally chains your chest to the bed, that keeps you from breathing in and breathing out, that lets you know no peace. I’ve spent most of this last month cowering in my calling, terrified to step out, speak up, post anything ever again. Nervous even to post this comment!

    Thank. You. For. This.

    I feel so much less alone. Rejecting fear and intimidation and shame to embrace freedom! Oooh Joy, I am so grateful for you and the divine synchronicity in me reading this right now. Eshet chayil, indeed!

  41. I am stunned. And sickened. This is just abjectly horrific, almost unimaginable to me. I’ve dealt with unconscious hang-ups, with remarks that are sexist without realizing they are, with old patterns and old ideas – but I have never had to deal with anything even close to this, Joy. This is censorship, plain and simple and of the worst kind. I hope to God you have moved away from anyplace that espouses this kind of thinking and the behavior it induces. I am so sorry for you – and all the others who have commented here with similar sad stories. And I am also terrifically proud of you for dropping that veil! You have NOTHING to be ashamed of. You write intelligently, honestly, openly. You call a spade a spade and you ask good questions. Hallelujah! This is to be praised and welcomed, not condemned. Glad you’re here- glad you’re STILL here after a meeting like that. Totally creeps me out.
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  42. My husband and I have been in a similar situation. It hurts and lingers. Both harmful to the soul. Thank you for the encouragement to just be who we are, with the differences that exist.

  43. I’m glad you’re succeeding in moving to a better place. Shame says “there’s something wrong with me” and is rarely healthy or good. (Well, in this sense or context.)

    I’ve seen or heard a number of such stories over the years and this is an area where I have a very hard time actually understanding what it’s like to be in that sort of mental place. I mean, I grew up with a number of strange figures swirling around my life (which is one of the reasons I was captivated by The Master), and by most standards, my childhood was … interesting. But I’ve relatively rarely been sucked into controlling groups.

    I suppose I can imagine being asked to meet with a pastor, but my first question would be, “Why? What do you want to talk about and why can’t we talk about it right now? Why schedule a meeting?” And if I didn’t get answers that satisfied me, my response would be, “No thanks. I don’t have time for a meeting.” And even if I were talked into a meeting, as soon as I was ambushed with something the way you describe, I would most likely get up and walk out.

    Maybe because of the way I grew up, I tend to try to avoid being snared in controlling, manipulative groups. I don’t really know. I do know the most a church can do is tell me to leave. But heck, I was told to take my sleeping infant daughter out of a church service as a teen parent because she was “disturbing the service”, so that doesn’t frighten me. Been there and done that. It’s infuriating and hurtful, but not the end of the world. (Teen parents tend to be shamed in different ways and for different reasons by both religious and non-religious people, so I also got a lot of practice dealing with that I guess.)

    But it does sound like you’re in a much better place now than in the story from a few years ago. I’m happy for you.
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  44. Hi Joy,
    You don’t know me from anyone, but a friend of mine shared this blog with me. Three years ago my youth pastor husband and I were called into the lead pastor’s office in an almost exact same scenario. My words, my thoughts, my blog. My husband was fired, and we were kicked out of the church. We were asked to contact no one and our friends were threatened with withdrawal of our severance package if they contacted us. I so related to all of this, every word, and yes, the shame. THE SHAME HAS BEEN HUGE.
    But this post simply affirmed something I have felt God nudging me towards for a few weeks.
    Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being honest and brave. You are not alone. Not in the shame, and not in breaking free of it.

  45. Wow. I am so sorry this happened to you, but I’m glad you were able to take that horrible experience and turn it into something transformational and good. I had something similar happen to me with my old Catholic church — I used to blog about my struggles with the faith, sometimes using “bad” words and always with complete honesty about my doubts, and somehow someone at the church found out about my blog. I moved away for several years and the blog went dead. When I moved back and inquired about joining the Yahoo group for the young adult group, I got a nasty e-mail that basically said, “Delete your blog or don’t come back.” I was stunned and saddened. To my shame, I caved. I should have told them where to shove it. I ended up leaving anyway after about six months. This was the same church whose pastor told me after I was sexually assaulted at a party and came to him for counseling that “that’s just what happens when young women drink.” Good riddance. So no, spiritual abuse is not just confined to evangelical churches. Bad pastors and leaders are everywhere.

  46. Simply beautiful. I love that you shared this without condemnation & full of mercy for the Church and the people who intimidated & exposed. That’s a gift of grace to them. Thank you for sharing this. I had a similar situation happen to me (it was pre-blogging) but it was that same sense of “were not happy the way you are so change,” which was just painful and discouraging. =( Thankfully there were others who came beside me to build me up…thankful you’ve found that in your blogging community!
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  47. Brave, gorgeous, so happy that I found this.
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  48. Awesome post Joy! The reason I love you and your blog is because you are so open and honest and real! So refreshing. Please keep writing!!!

  49. I wish you would join my church.

  50. I will not ever go to a church that has that kind of perceived power. That is wrong. And not what Jesus came to do or want to portray. I have sat in pastors offices before and confronted THEM because of discernment issues I knew they were in the wrong.
    I pray you left that church setting I also pray you do not let that hurt your deep faith in God. Your blog is awesome.
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  51. “The first email came a few months after we formally joined the church.” Just curious — how did you come to be joined to that church? Were they not up front with their doctrines or a “Statement of Faith?” — Hans

    • Hans, they had a covenant that members were to sign. But it didn’t address their intolerance of diversity of views. In fact, they made a point of saying that, for example, you don’t have to affirm the sovereignty of God (as taught by reformed Baptists like John Piper) to join the church. So their response to my personal Facebook and blog posts was a total shock.

      I will share more about how we ended up there in the next post. Thanks for your question!

      • It is sad, the pattern – the passionate anger that comes out when you question somebody’s socio-political assumptions… it certainly makes it look like their faith is centered on their cultural comfort zone, not on the One who will outlive all lands and all cultures. Thank you for keeping the faith.

  52. A similar situation happened to me except I was called into the church office alone and in the presence of two male pastors was accused of saying things I never said and harshly rebuked for things I never did. I was asked the same question repeatedly and treated as though I was a suspect in a homicide investigation. They “good-cop/bad-copped” me and it didn’t matter that I was trembling from head to toe, barely able to speak through my tears – they sat there stone-faced and un-moving while hurling a barrage of questions at me. It didn’t matter what I said. I was guilty and treated as such.

    What had I done? I was a worship leader at the church and during one Thursday evening practice with our team felt compelled to share how the Lord had convicted ME that week that I needed to be spending more time in private worship with Him – how can I lead others in worship if I’m not worshiping Him myself? From that testimony I encouraged our team to prepare our hearts before the Lord during each week so when Sunday arrives we may lead from a place of truth. Why that was such a horrible thing, I will never know.

    What I do know is I’ve never in my life felt so humiliated, small or shamed. What I also know is that in my 25+ years as a believer, my Heavenly Father has NEVER made me feel that way. Why men in leadership roles feel they somehow have the right to act in ways that Jesus never would is beyond my comprehension. Thank you Joy for your grace and your courage to continue writing.

    • Jim Breiling says:

      Would be nice if these church leaders read and heeded the Bible, specifically the instructions of Jesus (and his example) about prayer:
      Jesus’ Teaching on Prayer
      Lk. 11.2-4
      5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Lk. 18.10-14 Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
      6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
      7 ¶ But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
      8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
      9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

      Our Father which art in heaven,
      Hallowed be thy name.
      10 Thy kingdom come.

      Thy will be done
      in earth, as it is in heaven.
      11 Give us this day our daily bread.
      12 And forgive us our debts,

      as we forgive our debtors.
      13 And lead us not into temptation,

      but deliver us from evil:
      For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, 1 Chr. 29.11 for ever. Amen.
      14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
      15 but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Mk. 11.25, 26

  53. It is mind-boggling to me that someone could essentially get dooced from their own church. I am so glad you were able to resist this oppression. Your voice is a gift.

    I do struggle with your metaphor about the veils. I totally understand your interpretation of them as a symbol of shame and a means of hiding, but I think it’s important to note that this is not their intended meaning within cultures/religions that practice head-covering. I love Diana Butler Bass’s response to her daughter’s question as to why a woman was wearing a hijab: “That’s how she loves God.”
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    • Sorry but the Islamic veil is indeed bound up with notions of shame.

      I understand that plenty of Muslim women wear the headscarf or the niqab as a sign of their love for God and submission to God, and that isn’t something negative. But that was never the original intention of the veil in Islam. The intention was to do with women’s shame, and for many, many Muslims that is still part of its intended meaning.

      If you ask a Muslim where they get the directive to wear the veil from, generally they’ll show you verse 24:31 which talks about women covering their bosoms with their veils, and explain that traditionally, the verse has been understood to mean that women ought to cover their heads (although the verse makes no explicit mention of the head).

      The verse states that women are to draw their veil over their bosoms except around certain groups of people: eunuchs, nephews, small boys, fathers and other male relatives. Therefore the reason given by God for women veiling themselves is NOT primarily as a gender-specific sign of religious devotion (although the fact that the commandment is in the Qur’an by definition makes it a religious observance), but because unrelated men may be sexually aroused by looking at women who are unveiled.

      Or they may direct you to 33:59 –

      “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused [the word translated as ‘abused’ here had also been translated as ‘annoyed’ and ‘molested’].”

      I can’t claim to know much about the circumstances under which those words were written, but they seem to be in some way linked to the idea that, rather than men taking responsibility for their own ‘molestation’, ‘annoyance’ and ‘abuse’ of women in public, women hold greater responsibility for provoking men’s thought lives, abuse and molestation.

      When this idea comes from the pastor of a church who is berating the female members of his congregation for wearing the wrong thing and thus provoking the men of the congregation to lust, a lot of Christian women find it humiliating. If a Christian man excused himself by saying ‘Well, of course I lusted after her/molested her – it’s her fault for not having her hair covered/cleavage covered!’ we might find that an unacceptable, misogynistic, shaming defence. It’s the same if it comes from a Muslim man.

      Even if I could believe veiling had nothing to do with the women’s-bodies-are-shameful stuff, I take exception to all veiling whether in Islam or certain forms of Christianity because it suggests humility: not the holy humility of women before God, but the hierarchical humility of women before men. If it was about God then men would wear them too. They are a continuation of ancient patriarchy. And that’s all about shaming women. So I think the veil metaphor is totally appropriate and not problematic at all.

  54. My wife and I attended a bible believing church. One day my wife told the pastor that she disagreed on his stance about women in the church. He kindly took me aside and told me to get my wife under control in no uncertain terms. That was the best day of my life. We both stopped going to “church”. That was over twenty years ago and I consider it the best day of our lives. Free at last, free at last, thank God free at last. The point is- people need to start leaving the church- not trying to fix it. You don’t try to pour new wine into old wine skin. Amen.

    • Great blog Joy! I completely agree with you Danny. It is time that those of us, Christians who know the true teachings of Scripture about men and women come out of Babylon. You cannot stay in a ‘church’ that is teaching wrongly about women, and think this is how change occurs. The Bible doesn’t teach that. It says to stay away from false teachers.
      I recently left another church because they were allowing male pastors to teach that women should not be in leadership in the church. And this was a church that had a statement that God calls a Christian to be a pastor regardless of gender, and has women pastors. I couldn’t believe it.
      When I spoke with 3 people in leadership about it, they said, that there is ‘liberty of thought’, so that it was okay if some in the church were teaching women could be pastors, and some were not. This is just craziness! I told them I was leaving because this was false teaching and unethical to have a statement that encourages women as pastors, while in practice allowing those to teach against it. Needless to say, they are not forgetting about me. LOL But this is what is needed – reality!
      Also, how can I lead other women (or men) to a church body teaching them that the Holy Spirit is the one who gives gifts and chooses them, in a church that teaches the opposite. I could no longer live in hypocrisy anymore, pretending that things were okay in some sort of fake peace. This is worldly behavior, not behavior God calls us to – that is why I know your words are true. God has been showing me the same. Leave false teaching and start creating true fellowship as Jesus’ body, as God intended it to be.
      Revelation 18:4 Come out of Babylon my people!

  55. adoptingmamma says:

    I want to shout from the rooftops that I am free! I actually grew up wearing a head covering to every worship service between the starting and ending prayer. Now I co-lead a church plant with my partner and husband. I am free in Christ and I hope you keep shouting it from the rooftops too!

  56. What ended up happening? Did you leave the church? Obviously you are still blogging 🙂

  57. This story just kills me. I’ve seen it too, intimidation tactics and censorship and fear-mongering and shame-bestowing behind glossy church office doors, and I hate that you had to go through it. I have to echo what previous commenters said about it being spiritual abuse. There’s no question. I’m so glad you’re finding your way out of that manufactured shame though, and I hope you write more about that journey in upcoming posts.

  58. Oh lordy this sounds like me! I’m still at my church. I decided to fight for my right to disagree with them and also to be there. I wasn’t going to let them push me out just because I made them uncomfortable.

  59. Debbie Smith says:

    I am so sorry that this has happened! I think it is inexcusable, but far too common. Perhaps you are not ready for the inclusiveness of a Unitarian Church, but they are the most supportive and wonderful church I have been to (although I am no longer a church-goer), and my mother goes there because she will not put up with the ‘old’ ways that make it seem like ALL women must be stupider than EVERY man. She will not suffer foolish, egoistic males or hateful, repressive rules in the name of a loving God. Good luck to you in finding a HAPPY supportive group that focuses on love and acceptance.

  60. In the words of Marmee March, “Embrace your liberty.”

    My Facebook comments were turned over to a pastor once too. Needless to say, we left and I’m still blogging too.
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  61. Way to go! I write a lot about patriarchy on the Church on blog and plan to do more. But I would have to challenge this quote from you “Hiding is a symptom of our brokenness. Shame is the painful fall-out from our warped desire to control people.”

    What if it is really the Church that is CREATING the sense of brokenness and therefore shame? What if…just what if it is the churches portrayal of the Fall that creates the shame…but that in reality we all are still sacred and whole, we just don’t know it? What if the underlying message in much of the Bible and the subconscious of the our culture is to shame women in general? What if this is done as a need for control and order of the feminine essence – an essence that is routed in healing and love and power – ..and it is done by controlling what makes women – women…of what gives them this healing power and their voice?

    If these questions sparks your interest, let’s talk offline….and you can also turn to my blog http://www.practicejoy.info to get a glimpse into what I have been learning.

  62. Joy,
    I had similar circumstances in a united reformed church as a new Christian. I was so on fire for the Lord and I was writing on their North American blog with other Christians and pastors. Every Sunday they would stalk me down, “do you think you should be writing on the blog?” “is this really a good use of your time?”
    They also were upset that I had a job where I was a manager over men and encouraged me to give it up. Yet, they were not offering to help me live (I’m single).
    I was demoralized after 3 years, disheartened, questioned whether I was a real Christian woman, questioned whether I was saved.
    There are many other stories about that place, and where I got the strength to leave (I was so depressed) I don’t know, but I did. And God is so faithful.
    I studied His word and He showed me the truth of His Kingdom and how He intends it to be through Scripture (Gal 3:28-29, Ephesians 2:14). He led me to Christians for Biblical Equality and so much more. 10 years later I am healed from that experience, but it took a long, long time to heal and forgive.
    Now, when faced with Patriarchalists both in the church and the world, I have many Scriptural answers and am so prepared to give an answer for the Hope within me. It is so exciting!
    Blessings to you dear sister in Christ,
    Janet

  63. I didn’t realize how widespread this problem was. I thought it was relegated to pastors. Thank you for shedding light on the issue. I’m glad you felt the freedom to share 🙂

  64. Thank you for sharing your story. I thought it was just me…It is still too early and the issues is too sensitive to share my story publicly, but now I know I’m not the only one to feel the shame. And righteous rage.

  65. thank you for posting. you have no idea. i thought i was the only one. but now i know i’m not the only one to experience the shame. and the righteous rage. my issue is still too sensitive to share publicly…as you note, “church discipline is not small thing.”
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    • The leaders’ jobs are to train, equip, empower and release people into their destiny in God, whichever set of reproductive organs they have, not try to control what people believe, think or say. I am so sorry for you about this experience – you are best off not being around leaders like this.

  66. When your church starts interrogating you like you’re a Gitmo detainee, you need to go find another church.

  67. Wow. I live in Australia and am not religious. I found this blog by clicking through links initially from a site which discussing song lyrics. It’s so sad that women in America are being subjected to this treatment. While reading what these Pastors are doing made me angry, I was relieved to read to many of you are rebelling against this blatant patriarchy. I’m not a Buddhist either, but I I found it interesting that the Dalai Lama said Western women will save the world. He just might be right judging by what I’m reading here.
    Keep standing up for your right to have a voice. More peace and love is what the world needs.

    • Roxee, this post is nonsense. Now if she was a member of Westboro Baptist I would believe she was being abused but I think that is not the case. She is just against the Biblical Complementarian view. Women in America are treated badly but mostly in the media, mostly by “liberal” men who take advantage of poor “liberated” women (they are liberated, they are slaves to sin, death, and the devil) who have loose morals. I however, being Complementarian, strive to treat my wife with the utmost respect. I am not perfect, in fact I would say sometimes I am rather weak but I do think that I do better than I would were I either a Chauvinist or an Egalitarian. Neither of those can ever truly know how to love their wives as Christ loved the Church.

      • Jason, calling someone’s post “nonsense” doesn’t sound very respectful to me, whether that person is a man or a woman.
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      • It makes me very sad that you cannot tell the difference between a kind disagreement in theology and abusive, controlling behavior. What this pastor did was not simple disagreement in trying to get a stray sheep to come back to the flock. This was an abusive, paranoiac, exercise of control and power and Joy is absolutely within her rights to call it out.
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  68. Joy, this post breaks my heart. As an old white guy who grew up in a conservative church I almost feel my entire generation is to blame. I spent 20+ years in overseas missions and came back to the US workforce in 2005. Since missionary work counts as zero in “work experience” I found myself in a low-paying secular job working alongside 20 somethings. I was shocked to learn two things.
    First is that many conservative churches had changed. By 2005 “the enemy” seemed to be gentle believers like you and “groups” such as gays and churches often were less focused on real evils in our society. The second was that the younger generation I worked with largely despised or were hugely indifferent to the church. I see these as related. Churches often get too focused on winning wars more than souls.
    The technical age we live in has changed the game for such churches. They are no longer able to silence wise voices such as yours. In the long run I suspect this heart-wrenching post will do more to reach people and encourage thinking than such narrow church thinking ever will.
    Be encouraged. You and others like you that I find online have helped me shape my faith; helped me to better befriend a younger generation, and excited me that, at 64, I still have much to learn. I have even learned that not being sure of every aspect of my faith is a good thing for it shows that my spiritual growth years are not over.
    My growing passion is that my generation of believers be encouragers to your generation and not stumbling blocks. I’d like to hope we still have something to share that will help you on your journey but I am deeply sorry that you did not hear it in your meeting.
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    • Thank you for this, Tom. As a 30-something churched-out pastor’s kid, I am always refreshed to find wisdom and grace in believing people of your generation who haven’t bought into the changes you mention. I’ve been blessed to see that modeled in the lives of my own parents as well.

      Thanks for being an encourager to younger generations – we need you!
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  69. This blog post had me captivated and, to be frank, disgusted. I feel as though we all have our own spiritual journeys to take, and for anyone to ask you to hide your feelings and doubts from the world is dishonest…and what do we call dishonesty? A sin. I’m so glad that you’ve cast aside your shame and have continued to be you.
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  70. Ummm…If I remember correctly…woman was taken from man’s side. Not from his feet so that he can tread on her. Nor from his head so she would rule over him. But she was taken from his side so she can be his equal. She is to submit to his will unless it would lead her on a path of unrightousness.
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  71. Thank you so much for this incredbly encouraging teaching. It is exactly what I needed to hear today. I thank God for bringing this to my attention, and I thank God that you are exercising your gift to teach me (a man) about important spiritual truths. I’m glad that you have not allowed human tradition to silence you.

  72. So if your Pastor does his job and corrects your doctrine, and disciplines you if you refuse to repent he is trying “to shut me down and control me with intimidation (church discipline is no small thing).”??????? That sounds like exactly the kind of Pastor I would want! One who cares for me and the flock personally enough to tell us the truth and is not just trying to get my money by making me feel good about myself. I think you need to learn to let scripture interpret scripture instead of projecting your personal opinions, feelings, and emotions onto it. I am afraid you have a false Gospel. Perhaps you feel the need to hide because you are hiding somewhere other than the true Christ? Perhaps you have fallen for the lie of Mysticism?

    • Perhaps your ability to miss a point should be turned into an Olympic sport? Perhaps you need to assess your own attitude because the only people Jesus ever really got mad at in scripture was the pharisees and their filthy rag righteousness.

      • that. is. THE funniest comment I’ve ever read!

        perhaps also some people need to stop commenting on blogs go learn Greek, then do a study on Jewish culture, hellenistic opinions and philosophical schools of thoughts and what they said about women at the time of Paul (and before) and see for themselves what he really taught about women, which words he chose, and why he said the things he said. It is liberating in a way only Scripture can liberate. (spoiler alert: complementarians have it wrong.)

    • Jeff Rodriguez says:

      “I think you need to learn to let scripture interpret scripture instead of projecting your personal opinions, feelings, and emotions onto it.”

      If you understood the hypocrisy and fundamental impossibility of that statement, you wouldn’t say such stupid things. But you don’t. Because you are under the impression that ignorant fundamentalism is a virtue. It is not.

    • Ron Gaskins says:

      Jason … Your comments are crisp and direct … and remind me of an event in the life of Jesus where He confronted the Pharisees with their religiosity and shallowness and then gave the illustration of having a log in their eye while complaining of a splinter in the eyes of others. I’d humbly ask that you read your message and insert your own name and ask The Father to show you what is in your own heart. And I’ll pray for you as you do so. Thanks.

  73. “Yes. You and your husband are high-profile members of this church, whether you like it or not. You have influence.”]

    That statement from your pastor alone is worth a thousand words. It says you are doing something right and making enough of an impact that those who keep pushing the un-scriptural practice of complementarianism (politically correct patriarchalism) are starting to feel the impact of your words. Christians are slowly seeing the light and those men and women who continue to push the darkness of the complementarian views are starting to feel the pressure as there is always pressure associated with light.

    The comments about shame being a part of what you felt being called out by your pastor are interesting and something that I have never really thought about before. I usually go just the opposit when someone tries to question the views I have developed over many years of personal study. I have been right where you went several times because of my beliefs and my website on gender equality in the church, although I haven’t been called out because of my blog. At least not yet! However, when I think about some of the women I know and how they would react to being questioned by leadership, I can see that reaction occuring in them. My denomination tends to be very repressive of anyone who paddles their canoe against the traditional current. Thirteen years ago, I found myself called onto that carpet by a preacher at a previous church after I had led the worship for an evening service. We went to his office and I was bluntly asked “I guess you believe women should be able preach and teach in the church?” My answer was “absolutely”. This incident occured because I led all Fannie J. Crosby songs that evening and gave a short talk about her. There were other questions which I gave answers that did not set very well either with this man because they challenged his beliefs (very traditional beliefs!). The interesting thing about that confrontation was that we developed a friendship and worked really well together until he left after a leadership coup occured, which eventually drove my wife and I out also. In other words, a door was opened because of that session. Right now, the big thing the complimentarian men are complaining about to our elders is the NIV 2011. Yep, the Bible that I carry and read from to everyone in our Bible class!

  74. Thank you for writing this. My church problems are minor compared to yours. I am going to a church that has a pastor that says “true Christians” cannot do yoga. And if you do yoga, you are not a “true Christian” and cannot take communion. I take communion anyway. I figure God’s probably just happy I’m exercising. This is just one example of the rules at this church. I live in a non-English speaking country and this is the only English language service within about 300 kilometers, so my options are limited. Sometimes I just feel like a subversive and that my calling is to shake up people’s dumb rules. I am not a member here and probably never will be, there are some things that are just not going to happen.

    • if your pastor can show me IN THE BIBLE where it says you cannot do yoga, then I might possibly agree with him. I always say that I have faith, not religion. if God said it, then I believe it. but if man says it, they had best be able to show me where in the Bible supports their statement. too much legalism (man) and not enough faith (God) will get us into trouble every time!

  75. Thank you so much for this post. After 10 years, I am still addressing shame issues that were concieved in an abusive church setting. Day after day I was publicly shamed for various issues and I am struggling to break free of it even now. I have resolved to make my decisions based on love, not fear, and to abandon my concern over whether another Christian believes my doctrine is correct. Again, thank you.

  76. As I continue to return to this page over and over, wiping tears from my eyes and feeling the stinging burning feeling of struggling to hold them in, I am struck over and over by the overwhelming similarities. I still cannot believe how this mirrors my experience. It is impossible that this happenned to you just as it did me and at nearly the same time. It is so incredibly familiar that for a fleeting moment my daughter thought I might have written it. She sent it to me.

    I have left that church, because I cannot be me. I have tried, I fail. I have said nearly word for word what you said about yourself. I have no filter. My oldest daughter (a psychologist) and my second oldest (a degree in linguistics with a focus on societal formation) both say I have a ‘masculine’ conversational style. I don’t see masculine and feminine. I see equality in Christ. I see no male, female, slave, free, greek, gentile, jew, etc. I see sinners.

    My new church, pastor, denomination, etc have been nothing been supportive. My pastor even told me early on that the main reason my previous pastor feared my taking over is because I am fully capable of doing so and of doing it well, but he did not see a desire to do so in me. I was blown away. He has had me teach bible studies, lead prayer study and even give a sermon in his absence from his pulpit. Me. A former Lutheran who was eventually kicked out of a Calvary Chapel under ‘church discipline’ for not speaking ‘in love’, being too ‘harsh’ and the final blow; ‘usurping pastoral authority’.

    I wish I could say that I have healed. That I am confident now that I can and do understand the Word of God. That I am loved and lovable as I am. That I am accepted and safe at my new church. I wish I could say those things honestly.

    I have left, but it has never left my soul.

    Nope. With every study, conversation, sermon, etc. my first thought before and my continual fear for hours, if not days, afterward is: “Will this be the time I went too far again and am asked to deny who I am or leave this congregation?” Every time.

    I am on the road to healing though, and your blog made me cry and realize that I am not the ugly duckling. Or, at the very least, I am not the ONLY ugly duckling, in the family of God. Thank YOU is not nearly enough for what you have done for my soul. Words cannot express how it feels to finally not be ALONE.

    May God bless you beautiful woman of faith.

  77. Have you ever read the Internet Monk? I think you might like it, maybe starting with this classic: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-classic-i-have-my-doubts.

    It strikes me as strange that a pastor would try to discipline someone over what they believe. I can understand being taken to task for actions, or if you were obviously trying to ‘lead the flock astray’. But just expressing your own beliefs on a web site… Maybe I need to be more careful!

    Come to think of it, I do think that a concerned person did once go to the pastor after having heard my ‘testimony’ on a not-so-good day.

  78. Thank you so much for this post! It has given me more hope, courage, and strength than you can know right now. My husband recently told me is unwilling to have children with me because of my beliefs about homosexuality, gender equality, the doubt that hell exists, the belief that people can find Jesus or go to heaven outside of Christianity, etc. So I am in a very hard place right now.

  79. This website with its stories of patriarchal abuse in Christian families and resources for overcoming the same, may be of interest to all who have followed this thread of conversation.
    http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/p/faq.html

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  4. […] The pastor’s office was lined with bookcases crammed with theology. I took the chair nearest the door, settling uneasily on the leather. I tried not to grip the arm rests, to adopt a calm and confident pose that hid my fear. Scott took the other chair, a full three feet from mine. I wondered at the distance. He was too far for us to hold hands. Too far to feel like we were in this together, that he had my back and I his. click here to read more… […]

  5. Friday Funday // 12.14.2012 | The Theological Materialist says:

    […] at Joy in this Journey, Joy writes about her experience with shame in the Church. How sad, especially when the Bible they claimed to love and follow teaches that perfect love casts […]

  6. […] Shame Is A Prison, And I’m Breaking Out, a collection of personal stories about women being silenced by their pastors through shaming […]

  7. […] Shame is a Prison, and I’m Breaking Out by Joy Bennett of Joy in this Journey […]

  8. […] is so easy to second-guess my response to the heat I’ve taken from church leaders over my blog and social media activity. Sometimes I want to tell the me from three years ago to grow a pair and walk out. But then I […]

  9. […] We left an abusive church in May of this year, and spent most of the summer visiting other churches. Not pleasant. All the pain and all the wandering prompted me to ask “What IS church, anyway?” in this post, originally published on June 11, 2012. […]

  10. […] originally published this post on BlogHer 2 1/2 years ago in the midst of the conflict with my church about my blog. I republished it at the end of last year, and I’m sharing it again today […]

  11. […] 2012, at the beginning of our search for a new church. It took us some time, but we finally left an abusive church situation earlier this year. This was the first of a series of posts about our […]

  12. […] friend of mine commented after reading this post, Shame Is a Prison and I’m Breaking Out, that she finally understood why I’ve come across so angry and hurt by the church these last […]

  13. […] I have written for Life: Unmasked and as I have bared my soul over doubt and depression, I’ve experienced some negative backlash. It’s inevitable, I know – anytime you make a statement, someone is going to disagree or […]

  14. […] Joy Bennett offers some deep, personal reflection on shame and its effect on Christian. […]